DAB Rig ?

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DAB Rig ?

Post by XXL » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Is a DAB tx possible?

Iv seen a few threads talking about cheap dab gear. obviously the range is no where near as good as FM, but is it possible ?

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Albert H » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:05 pm

It's possible, but probably not worth doing. There are six "bouquet" frequencies possible at present. In most bigger cities, all six are in use, so there's nowhere to add an additional bouquet. Each bouquet is 6 MHz wide - the width of an old analogue TV channel - and can convey several stations (the number is decided by the bandwidth / data rate that each station wants to use). If you're going to do it, you need to get together with a bunch of other stations to provide the content.

The "open source" DAB solution that's freely available requires multiplexer hardware, good quality sound cards, a pile of Raspberry Pis, and a moderately powered PC to assemble the data stream to be conveyed to the transmitter. The cheap transmitters that are available are in the region of £600 for 50mW, and amplifying it requires a highly linear amplifier with a very precisely defined RF bandwidth and precise filtering. Your average rig-building solder-jockey wouldn't have a clue.

To be honest, DAB should stand for "Dead And Buried". It's a 40-year-old technology, using MP2, and it's surpassed in coverage and quality by simple web streams. You can put your station on the 'net, using one of the "unlimited" services (about £30 - £40 per month), and get listeners all over the world. If you broadcast live, and have a means of the listeners getting in touch with the studio, you can generate quite a following.

My 'net station has huge audience figures, globally, and isn't illegal - we even pay the Performing Rights fees. If someone chooses to put our web stream into a transmitter, that's fine by us - it's nothing to do with us, so we can't be touched for it! We also provide content for a couple of American radio networks (and charge them for it), and it's still fun to do!
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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by TGillies » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:20 pm

Albert H wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:05 pm My 'net station has huge audience figures, globally, and isn't illegal - we even pay the Performing Rights fees. If someone chooses to put our web stream into a transmitter, that's fine by us - it's nothing to do with us, so we can't be touched for it! We also provide content for a couple of American radio networks (and charge them for it), and it's still fun to do!
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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by radium98 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:23 pm

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by g33ky » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:12 pm

FreeDAB did this, so it's possible if you have the effort to do it. Hit up http://wiki.opendigitalradio.org/Main_Page for some information, it's an open-source DAB project. But like Albert said, it's only really worth it for tinkering value, since a) covering a wide area isn't as simple as FM and b) no-one re-tunes their DAB that often, if at all, so next to no-one would pick you up.
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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by XXL » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm

Yeh Albert what’s the link for your radio ?

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Albert H » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:06 am

XXL wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm Yeh Albert what’s the link for your radio ?
It's not mine - I just make it work!
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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Undercover Neckz » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:28 am

Albert H wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:05 pm My 'net station
Albert H wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:06 am It's not mine
:tup :roll: :tup

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Dennis99 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:42 am

I've done it to show another forum, but as was said I only tinkered. :whistle


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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by XXL » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:10 pm

Albert H wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:06 am
XXL wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm Yeh Albert what’s the link for your radio ?
It's not mine - I just make it work!

Ok then. What’s it called. I’ll have a listen.

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by LeeCavanagh » Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:08 pm

Albert H wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:06 am
XXL wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:27 pm Yeh Albert what’s the link for your radio ?
It's not mine - I just make it work!
D0nt you also present an album show on it?
Yes, what’s the link, either way.
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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by radium98 » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:02 am

Undercover Neckz wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:28 am
Albert H wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:05 pm My 'net station
Albert H wrote: Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:06 am It's not mine
:tup :roll: :tup
hhhhhhh :lol: :shock: :roll:

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Albert H » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:08 am

It's partially mine!

My voice appears occasionally......
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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by SD-E1102 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:14 pm

Can I add it to the internet stations list we have?
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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by ronald001 » Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:10 pm

It can be done easily - all you need is an EasyDAB modulator, Raspberry pi with MMB tools installed.
An simple amplifier can be build with for example an Aliexpress board and a mitsubishi mosfet


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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Genie FM » Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:53 pm

Is a bandpass filter between the EasyDAB modulator and the amplifier not used due to the low power final output?

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Maximus » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:15 pm

You need a decent cavity filter to ensure there’s a clean output


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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by ronald001 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:37 pm

The signal of an DAB exiter / transmitter always has shoulders. Depending on the quality of the setup, these shoulders can be very large - or very small. When they are large, you can interfere on the "neighbour" channels. Also, the reception distance will decrease.
For filtering of these shoulders, a spectrum mask / helical filter is used.

In my test setup a EasyDAB modulator is used, with shoulders at -70Db - so a filter between the modulator and amp is not needed.

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by jvok » Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:40 am

Maximus wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:15 pm You need a decent cavity filter to ensure there’s a clean output
The small scale DAB trial muxes have been doing without cavity filters by using massively overrated amps. Basically if you use a really high power amp but under run it, you'll stay way below the intermodulation point and the output will be pretty clean even without the filter. I think they were running 250w amps for something like 20-50w output. Idea being that big amps are still cheaper than filters.

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Re: DAB Rig ?

Post by Albert H » Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:11 am

We build home made cavity filters. They're not too difficult if you have a network analyser!
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