Abnormally long stream listening duration

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Abnormally long stream listening duration

Post by whitenoisedb » Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:33 pm

Has anyone taken note of the listening duration of their streams and the IPs? Some stay connected for days on end and are typically traced back to large data centres operated by Google and Amazon. I’m wondering if there’s something behind this such as checking for the playback of copyrighted music. It’s becoming very difficult to publish an iOS radio app which isn’t regionally restricted or without having to provide proof you’re licensed to do such a thing. Has anyone else ran into this?

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Re: Abnormally long stream listening duration

Post by g33ky » Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:00 pm

Yeah I've seen some streams with over 100hrs average listening times, some shoutcast versions puslish it on the status page. I always assumed it was some sort of relay for a transmitter or some other constantly-on audio source but your theory isn't one I'd have thought of.

It wouldn't surprise me if Apple was scanning for copyrighted music via their apps, multiple times in the past they've removed apps for the actions of third-party users. Google doesn't seem to care though and lets people publish anything without much quality control (for better or worse).
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Re: Abnormally long stream listening duration

Post by Albert H » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:46 am

Some of these long connections are from the "aggregation" sites. One of my stations has a virtually permanent connection from a data centre in Russia, and this traces to "Streema" (aka "Simple Radio"), for example.

The secret to not having copyright issues is to use a server in a jurisdiction that doesn't care much about such things. Several American states (for example) have very lax copyright rules, and you won't be touched there, and their connectivity is good. I tend to use servers in the Far East for the same reason.

If you want to remain a "pirate", then don't use a European Union sited server! Also, the UK is somewhat iffy with PRS and PRL leeches trying to abstract money from you.

Don't reveal your upload source either - if it's in the UK, then the Performing Rights nutters will hassle you all the time. I make certain that my upload source is "offshore".
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Re: Abnormally long stream listening duration

Post by whitenoisedb » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:48 am

There’s definitely relaying for an FM TX but I don’t understand why another service would relay as would cost in bandwidth when relaying 1000’s of stations. I think it was 2-3 months ago that TuneIn introduced regional restrictions, obviously under the pressure from the archaic majors who are unable to draw up a global streaming license. They could be making so much more if only they could create a blanket streaming license for all platforms. Mixcloud have managed to make it work, don’t understand why the likes of Facebook and Twitch can’t!

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Re: Abnormally long stream listening duration

Post by Albert H » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:51 pm

I gave up with the totally clueless TuneIn. I use radio.garden, streema, mytuner, and a few more. I was pleasantly surprised by the number of listeners who use the aggregator sites. Mixcloud are almost as clueless as TuneIn!
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