What happens to a station when it goes legal?

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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Albert H » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:21 pm

g33ky wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:50 am
You'll find lefties that think the BBC is biased right wing :lol:.
The lefties don't think that the BBC's left enough! :o About 20 years ago, there was a decision inside the BBC to demand that all programme staff had to attend "Common Purpose" courses. These were pure brainwashing, and rendered the staff essentially useless. If the Corporation wants to continue, they have to sack all the Common Purpose "alumni" and then sort out the very few remaining members of staff who still have a clue.

https://www.cpexposed.com/about-common-purpose is a real eye-opener. You'll see that they use "behavioural modification" (aka brainwashing) techniques. They're a very scary bunch.
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Post by Polecat » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:08 pm

@albert h

All very interesting.

I agree the music industry's in a bad way but there's still loads of great new music coming out.

The youngsters I speak to tell me they find new stuff via YouTube, TikTok, Soundcloud and less so, Spotify. No-one listens to radio and they don't go to clubs.

So we've gone from a world where djs brought great new music to the people to one where people have to go and find it themselves. Wtf happened?

The fact is, there's a yawning gap. It exists between the mass of great music out there and the people who'd love to listen to it. Radio could bridge that gap yet it doesn't.

As for online, yes there's some good stuff but how do you find it? I listen to a few friends shows and can't be arsed to trawl 150k+ streams for anything else. I'd be I interested to know - did you search out your internet radio stations or are you doing what I do and listening to friends?

And now to Common Purpose. I can see it's lefty but if they're planning to take over the world, they're failing miserably aren't they? We're leaving the EU, the Beeb is under the microscope and Old Man Steptoe was slaughtered in the polls.

No, CP isn't something I'm going to lose any sleep over but the future of radio? That's serious.

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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Albert H » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:22 am

CP scares the sh!t out of me! They're lying low at the moment, but they have people placed in every part of Government, the Judiciary, the Civil Service, the BBC, the Press.....

You're right about the future of UK radio - it's in a parlous state, and I don't see it getting better in the near future. Over here (in the Netherlands), we have a "democratisation of the airwaves" going on - it's easy to get local licences, especially for medium wave. This could be the future.
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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Polecat » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:02 am

@albert h

Will do some more digging on CP. The grads' names are on the site.

Democratising the airwaves would certainly open up new possibilities for radio. We can only hope the UK govt follows the Netherlands.

Btw, you didn't answer my question about your online listening. Did you find the stations you like by searching? Or are the presenters/station owners known to you?

Interesting discussion, thanks.

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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by g33ky » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:50 am

Albert H wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:22 am
Over here (in the Netherlands), we have a "democratisation of the airwaves" going on - it's easy to get local licences, especially for medium wave. This could be the future.
All Ofcom need to do is remove the "minimum hours" restrictions from community stations and allow them on-request rather than only during application windows. If they did this many of the pirates would probably go legal and the band would be much better. But I have a feeling someone *cough*global*cough* might be pressuring them otherwise...
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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by bristolpirates » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:53 am

g33ky wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:50 am
Albert H wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:39 pm
The BBC aren't interested in proper broadcasting any more - their "news" is just left slanted polemic
You'll find lefties that think the BBC is biased right wing :lol:.
Which of these appeared on the BBC?

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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by g33ky » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:46 pm

bristolpirates wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:53 am
g33ky wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:50 am
Albert H wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:39 pm
The BBC aren't interested in proper broadcasting any more - their "news" is just left slanted polemic
You'll find lefties that think the BBC is biased right wing :lol:.
Which of these appeared on the BBC?

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I wouldn't say the BBC is biased to the left or right either way - certain programs and presenters may have a slight political leaning that they display on air but I'd say its pretty balanced overall. You'll have people on both sides of the political spectrum who say the BBC is biased either way and while that may or may not be true, at least its not all-out Infowars or Huffington Post. I still dislike them as a corporation (except Radio 3 and possibly BBC Four) though.

Plus, the phrase "Comrade Corbyn" was pretty common so this was probabaly nothing more than a joke/reference by the Beeb. There wasn't exactly any "Adolf Johnson" jokes floating around during the political years.
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Post by Polecat » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:42 pm

g33ky wrote:
Plus, the phrase "Comrade Corbyn" was pretty common so this was probabaly nothing more than a joke/reference by the Beeb.
I remember that photo. It caused huge uproar and definitely wasn't meant as a joke.

The topic was Salisbury and the Russian poisoning.

Defence Secretary Wilkinson appeared over the same backdrop but Corbyn's hat made him look far too much at home.

Unintentionally hilarious.

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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Albert H » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:18 am

Korbyn was actually "Agent Kob" and paid by the Hungarians until the late 80s! He is entirely devoid of real work experience (typical for a "Labour" MP) and has been monitored by the Special Branch since his predilections became apparent with his support for "PIE" in the mid - 70s. SB knew that he could be blackmailed by the Hungarians (or their Russian masters), so Kob never got a real security clearance. Had he won the last election, he would have been immediately replaced "due to failing health" - there were contingency plans for this scary result in Whitehall since well before the 2017 election.

He's a thoroughly nasty, unprincipled, grasping champagne socialist of the very worst type. He sent his son to Public School (one rule for the plebs and one for the leadership), and is worth in the region of £6m, plus his undeclared properties. He's lived off his wife's coffee business (which is under investigation by the Mexican Government) and his property rentals (that he somehow failed to report to Parliament until they were revealed last year by the Telegraph), because he claims to give his Parliamentary salary to "charity".

His support for every anti-British cause (IRA, Hamas, etc) is well-known, and his anti-Semitic views are plain to see. He and his supporters have deliberately driven Jewish members out of the Labour Party.

He's a truly horrible man, and shouldn't receive his Parliamentary Pension when he retires, on the basis that he's always done all he can to undermine the UK throughout his "career". He was elected to the Labour leadership as a joke - mostly by Conservatives who paid their £3 to vote him in. Milliband's £3 membership idea has rendered the Labour Party unelectable for a generation!
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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Polecat » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:43 am

@albert h

Can I blame Agent Kob for Pirate stations going downhill when they get a licence? lol

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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Albert H » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:35 am

You can blame him for bad weather if you like!
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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Polecat » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:35 pm

Thanks Albert. It's raining and it's all Agent Kob's fault. I like that.

Back to the original question.

The answer seems to be that the rules strangle pirate stations to death when they go legal.

Anyone disagree?



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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Albert H » Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:03 am

That's the long and short of it!
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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by cheese ranger » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:21 am

So what’s the benefits then as the only discussion has been the negatives?

Must be nice to be able to focus on content and artists rather than just trying to keep the station on air.

Also having a decent studio without the risk of having equipment confiscated.


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Post by Polecat » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:39 pm

cheese ranger wrote:So what’s the benefits then as the only discussion has been the negatives?

Must be nice to be able to focus on content and artists rather than just trying to keep the station on air.

Also having a decent studio without the risk of having equipment confiscated.


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Must be nice to be able to focus on content and artists rather than just trying to keep the station on air.

Also having a decent studio without the risk of having equipment confiscated.


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Those are certainly benefits but are the risks of Pirate broadcasting as high today as they were 10 years ago?
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Post by peterogers » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:24 pm

Polecat wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:18 pm
famefm wrote:Select might be another one going legal soon they have applied for the Croydon area
Something's puzzling me now.

Given what's clear for all to see, why would any station go Community FM when they could go DAB+?

I'm not saying DAB+ is worth doing (it was a negative experience personally) but legal FM seems even less worth doing if that makes sense?

Anyone any thoughts on that?

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883Centreforce definitely keep that pirate style feel radio yet legal

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Post by Polecat » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:01 pm


peterogers wrote:
883Centreforce definitely keep that pirate style feel radio yet legal[/quote]

Thanks for posting this. Just had a listen online and I like what I heard.

Plus they have an event at VU Shoreditch coming up. That's some venue so they must be doing alright.

It's significant that they're on the London DAB+ Multiplex so free of all that Community FM red tape. Good luck to them!
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Re: What happens to a station when it goes legal?

Post by Albert H » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:19 am

The "red tape" for DAB is just as onerous as that for Band II FM!
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Post by Polecat » Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:06 am

Albert H wrote:The "red tape" for DAB is just as onerous as that for Band II FM!
I was on a DAB+ station and it didn't seem onerous in the way that Community FM is.

We played what we wanted to with no min Live broadcast hrs, no mandatory training, no community undertakings, nothing.

In fact I only remember two things - no swearing and the financial commitments.
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