The BAZOOKA Antenna

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by sinus trouble » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:12 am

A quick update on this project :)

As the good old British weather has been decent lately, I took this antenna out for a test and the results were not great?

Tests started off promising as i trimmed off small amounts of the top element to achieve a better SWR but i went too far and cocked the whole thing up! :lol:

So now i am back to the drawing board in shame! :lol:

My thoughts on how to proceed is to get some data instead of random actions!

My plan B is to cut the antenna for 98Mhz (Centre band) then take measurements across the band and plot the results? This should give me some idea of what is actually going on?

I will post any breakthroughs (Or Fails) very soon! :)
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by radium98 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:12 am

good luck

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by mpx » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:18 pm

How did you get on with this Sinus? Did it work or was it a fail? :smoke

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by Albert H » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:26 am

I built a couple of "flowerpots" last week. One is for the bottom of the band, and the other is for 98.4MHz. I used the "wrong" aerial connected to the 98.4 MHz rig, and got a 1.6 : 1 match. A but of experimentation with the 98.4 MHz aerial showed that it was <1.65 : 1 across most of the band, with the SWR dropping to 1.01 : 1 at the resonant frequency. I bought plastic pipe and end caps to house them (from Screwfix) and built the whole lot - two aerials, mountings and feeders - for <£30.
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by teckniqs » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:47 am

Albert H wrote:
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I built a couple of "flowerpots" last week.
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by mpx » Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:12 am

How well does the flowerpot work? I'm guessing the pattern and gain is similar to that of a half wave dipole

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by sinus trouble » Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:05 am

mpx wrote:
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How did you get on with this Sinus? Did it work or was it a fail? :smoke
Well to be honest? I managed to get it working reasonably?

I tried trimming for best SWR but it made no significant improvement.

What i did find is that the SWR was unpredictable when mounted in different locations and very sensitive to any surroundings.

Also i suspect that the coax feedline was also affecting my readings? Which leads me to think some kind of balun is required?

I will do some more testing soon :)
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by MiXiN » Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:30 am

teckniqs wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:47 am
Albert H wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:26 am
I built a couple of "flowerpots" last week.
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by mpx » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:03 am

Yeah sounds like the coax is radiating if moving it about and holding it affects the SWR. Maybe a choke balun would do the trick

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by teckniqs » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:08 am

Seen a few people just make a 5 turn loop below their J-poles etc, would that help if directly below the feedpoint?

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by mpx » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:20 am

Or 3 turns on 27" of 7mm coax?
http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/balun.htm

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by Albert H » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:11 pm

My "Flowerpots" have 6-turn baluns
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by sinus trouble » Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:06 pm

I have done a bit more testing on the BAZOOKA and as i mentioned it is an absolute nightmare to get good performance!
Maybe others have had better luck? But for me? Its too unstable for a 'Simple' antenna!

As a Balun would most likely be required? I saved some hassle and went for the 'Flower Pot'

I guess Albert was right........ Again!! :lol:

I found a very useful calculator online which also gives the length of the coaxial choke which allows no confusion between number of turns VS form diameter! I will include the link below!

https://nomonsuhendar.blogspot.com/2020 ... lator.html
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by sinus trouble » Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:08 pm

Here are some pics! Hooray!! It works!! :D
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by Albert H » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:36 am

There you go - the "Flowerpot" is easy to get going well, and has a good radiation characteristic. I've used a ⅝-wave one on top of a 12m scaffold pole, and it shows an SWR of 1.04 : 1 at its designed frequency. 500 kHz higher or lower, the SWR is still under 1.1 : 1. If you build them for the middle of the band, you could probably use them without tweaking over most of the band! Obviously the best efficiency will be at the designed frequency, but they're useful on any Band II frequency in a pinch.

Incidentally, the 12m scaffold pole is on top of a radiating MW tower!
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Re: The BAZOOKA Antenna

Post by mpx » Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:58 pm

Presumably for a 5/8 version you just scale up, no other requirements?

Good to know the flowerpot works and the bazooka not so much. Thanks Sinus

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