Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by ronald001 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:23 am

40 Watt is for CDMA operation, which is 1.5 MHz wide... FM is 150Khz wide...

I got an original one here: https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/32874446 ... hweb201603_


DutchRF shop is selling genuine 9180's / 21 Euros :https://dutchrfshop.nl/nl/hoger-dan-150 ... f9180.html
HF-electronics is selling them for 19 euros: https://www.hf-electronics.nl/MRF9180

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Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by BriansBrain » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:55 am

Electronically wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:12 pm So If we all avoid the number 0 with a line through it. we will get all the power. I'll attempt to get one of these.
*Please NOTE*
My findings are...
The fake one that only give 20W output have a production number under MRF9180 of >>> RR1627E
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Re: RE: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by Electronically » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:58 pm

BriansBrain wrote:
Electronically wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:12 pm So If we all avoid the number 0 with a line through it. we will get all the power. I'll attempt to get one of these.
*Please NOTE*
My findings are...
The fake one that only give 20W output have a production number under MRF9180 of >>> RR1627E
AIICKING - MRF9180 - RR1627E-S.jpg
OK. When I do get this. I'm going to run a test at 21v, 7 or 8 amps, 3 watts driving the amp.

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Re: RE: Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by Electronically » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:14 pm

ronald001 wrote:40 Watt is for CDMA operation, which is 1.5 MHz wide... FM is 150Khz wide...

I got an original one here: https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/32874446 ... hweb201603_


DutchRF shop is selling genuine 9180's / 21 Euros :https://dutchrfshop.nl/nl/hoger-dan-150 ... f9180.html
HF-electronics is selling them for 19 euros: https://www.hf-electronics.nl/MRF9180
Ordered from top link. I take it its only some of alexi express Mrf9180 that is fake?

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by BriansBrain » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:54 pm

RF-Head wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:24 pm So you drive the 15W board with 1W?
The amp needs 0dBm input !! 1mW not 1W
I only operate my Radio Brian 16 hrs a day :smoke

So... last night after I turned him off I went behind the RF rack to have a look ;)

I found a 20dB BNC - BNC attenuator connected to the Tugicom TX180 1W exciter :tup

I forgot about that :lol:
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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by nrgkits.nz » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:23 am

Bton-FM wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:18 pm Does anyone happen to have the pcb files for these amps?I know there are ones for 7£ on Ebay but that seems a bit steep when I could get 10 of them knocked out for 7£ from china.
Here are the gerber files, this is a copy I did - although its going to be far more cost effective to buy the kit-sets out of China - they're easily found on ALiExpress. I wanted to do a few mods to the design which I why I copied it.
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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by Bton-FM » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am

thankyou very much @nrgkits.nz

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by nrgkits.nz » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:10 pm

Bton-FM wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:30 am thankyou very much @nrgkits.nz
If you take the files to a PCB manufacturer, make sure they include the outline gerber file, as this is responsible for cutting out the center (for the 9180) and also the pieces which are used on the input transformer.

Other PCB's I've designed (unrelated to amplifiers) which have different shapes etc... cut out of the PCB - these all include an Outline gerber file. I've found some manufactures don't bother to include the file when manufacturing, or I suppose just don't know what to do with it. I had a bunch of boards delivered from China once that were useless because they never cut out the custom shapes which were required to fit some of the components.

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by Electronically » Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:39 pm

Has any of you lot tried MRFX1K80H transistor?

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by Tec1 87.5fm London » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:25 pm

Blf188xr running at 1200w

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Post by Electronically » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:42 pm

Tec1 87.5fm London wrote:Blf188xr running at 1200w
I just read up datasheet sounds ideal.

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by Tec1 87.5fm London » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:42 pm

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Re: RE: Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by Electronically » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:24 pm

Tec1 87.5fm London wrote:Amp
Good swr. Good power. I'm going to get one .

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by rigmo » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:32 pm

XXL wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:31 am Can anyone help me with these shit devices. They just die so easy. 1st one decided to die just 3 days later of being on, 2nd one was an NXP type, blew for some reason when I put the audio cable into the RCA socket and a third fake which was running very nice doing 150w warmish blew when I switched it off. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. the amp is a nice design, the devices are shit. I run the bias around 3-3.5v and input 500mw for up to 170w out, but usually turn em down to 150.
You need look current !! no volts! 200mA i recommended ( over this can be very bad efficiency ) only produce heat ! input 1-5W need to be @ 28V 180W
And LPF need to be tuned over network Analyser if power stuck betven mosfet and lpf it will burn... mrf9180 do not like SWR :)

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by rigmo » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:42 pm

BriansBrain wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:48 am
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sir Wher you buy this board ?

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by rigmo » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:50 pm

teckniqs wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:22 am I've built a few boards with the MRF186 and had a nice 120-130w out of them, I've got some here with MRF9180 but I haven't tested them yet but I will post my results up here when I do.

....I am thinking it might just be easier for XXL to just replace it with one of these devices, you can buy them for only 8 quid or so (delivered) and they seem to work well, I built a TX with one in that ran @120w for 24/7 operation and lasted over 7 months until it got removed by the authorities.
how to expalin this... mrf186 150W input 3W @22V
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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by rigmo » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:19 pm

Bton-FM wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:44 am Idq of a 9180 is 1400mA
INSANE !

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by rigmo » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:24 pm

rigmo wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:32 pm
XXL wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:31 am Can anyone help me with these shit devices. They just die so easy. 1st one decided to die just 3 days later of being on, 2nd one was an NXP type, blew for some reason when I put the audio cable into the RCA socket and a third fake which was running very nice doing 150w warmish blew when I switched it off. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. the amp is a nice design, the devices are shit. I run the bias around 3-3.5v and input 500mw for up to 170w out, but usually turn em down to 150.
You need look current !! no volts! 200mA i recommended ( over this can be very bad efficiency ) only produce heat ! input 1-5W need to be @ 28V 180W
And LPF need to be tuned over network Analyser if power stuck betven mosfet and lpf it will burn... mrf9180 do not like SWR :)
tipfeler 26V 200mA 1.5W inout 170W

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by ronald001 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:50 pm

rigmo wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:19 pm
Bton-FM wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:44 am Idq of a 9180 is 1400mA
INSANE !
Hahaha no it's not...1400mA is recommended.
I have set Idq to 2000mA to get it in linear mode for DAB @26VDC

A low Idq is possibly the reason why it breaks so easily, you have to drive with much more power...

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Re: Mrf9180 Keeps blowing!!

Post by rigmo » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:36 pm

ronald001 wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:50 pm
rigmo wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:19 pm
Bton-FM wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:44 am Idq of a 9180 is 1400mA
INSANE !
Hahaha no it's not...1400mA is recommended.
I have set Idq to 2000mA to get it in linear mode for DAB @26VDC

A low Idq is possibly the reason why it breaks so easily, you have to drive with much more power...

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efficiency no good !!! I told You. recommended for what ? overheting brake it hahah... 1.3W input idq 200mA 160Watt @26V... can more but need 1.5W input and TUNE the board... 180W easy,,,

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