MRF186 amp problem

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by Electronically » Sun May 03, 2020 5:28 pm

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Electronically wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 10:40 am Try the chips nrg mentioned you'll be surprised at how well those chips work.youll find you'll have less issues if inserted into one of those boards. So forget about mrf186 and 9180.
Tru but can you named specify?
In one of hand I cant because if all good with match and tune working perfectly.. cost 35usd... in diy kit... ;)
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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by rigmo » Sun May 03, 2020 8:08 pm

130usd,,,, foe 150W forget... for 90$ you can get 500 600w

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by Bton-FM » Sun May 03, 2020 9:09 pm

rigmo wrote: Sun May 03, 2020 8:08 pm 130usd,,,, foe 150W forget... for 90$ you can get 500 600w
Mate what are you on about they are £30 on mouser?

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by rigmo » Sun May 10, 2020 8:42 pm

hi Guys.. more improvments today... MRF186 160W

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by TGillies » Mon May 11, 2020 1:40 am

I wasted 3 of those MRF chips on the same board, tried both MRF9180 & MRF186. had the exact same problem as you at first, it would only give me reduced power before blowing altogether. i came to the conclusion it was the board itself.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2319&p=25632#p25632

gotta watch for some of these chinese parts, they can be very temperamental, yet other times solid... from my experience anyway.

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Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by Electronically » Mon May 11, 2020 12:06 pm

TGillies wrote:I wasted 3 of those MRF chips on the same board, tried both MRF9180 & MRF186. had the exact same problem as you at first, it would only give me reduced power before blowing altogether. i came to the conclusion it was the board itself.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2319&p=25632#p25632

gotta watch for some of these chinese parts, they can be very temperamental, yet other times solid... from my experience anyway.
What power supply was you using and amps.

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by rigmo » Mon May 11, 2020 10:22 pm

TGillies wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 1:40 am I wasted 3 of those MRF chips on the same board, tried both MRF9180 & MRF186. had the exact same problem as you at first, it would only give me reduced power before blowing altogether. i came to the conclusion it was the board itself.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2319&p=25632#p25632

gotta watch for some of these Chinese parts, they can be very temperamental, yet other times solid... from my experience anyway.

Board is good for sure 100%... she can support 500w but values of capacitance is not right values for right matching.. i get efficiency over 70.5%
I will make measurements again.. with MRF810... i also burn two mosfet before i se where is problem ...

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Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

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TGillies wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 1:40 am I wasted 3 of those MRF chips on the same board, tried both MRF9180 & MRF186. had the exact same problem as you at first, it would only give me reduced power before blowing altogether. i came to the conclusion it was the board itself.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2319&p=25632#p25632

gotta watch for some of these Chinese parts, they can be very temperamental, yet other times solid... from my experience anyway.

Board is good for sure 100%... she can support 500w but values of capacitance is not right values for right matching.. i get efficiency over 70.5%
I will make measurements again.. with MRF810... i also burn two mosfet before i se where is problem ...
Change R1 r2 r3 for better results also

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Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by TGillies » Tue May 12, 2020 12:16 am

.[/quote]What power supply was you using and amps.

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12v psu built into the unit as purchased

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

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TGillies wrote:.
What power supply was you using and amps.

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12v psu built into the unit as purchased[/quote]14 amps christ, I'm no surprised that chipped popped often.

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Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

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Electronically wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 10:56 pm Change R1 r2 r3 for better results also
Hi Sir can you tell more info.. ? exact value?

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

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Electronically wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 10:56 pm Change R1 r2 r3 for better results also
Hi Sir can you tell more info.. ? exact value?
R1 68 ohms r2 150 ohms r3 68 ohms

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by rigmo » Tue May 12, 2020 11:06 pm

thank you ... i will try and, record
c4 c5? 1n 10n or?

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Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by Electronically » Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 pm

rigmo wrote:thank you ... i will try and, record
c4 c5? 1n 10n or?
Hmm unsure haven't went into detail yet if I do I'll let you know.

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by Electronically » Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm

I have to say why does the Chinese boards not have any protection at the output chips ie mrf186 & 9180.would it not be sensible to put a zener diode onto the bias supply to protect the (expensive) transistor from too much bias voltage? .just a thought.

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by Bton-FM » Wed May 13, 2020 7:34 pm

Electronically wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm I have to say why does the Chinese boards not have any protection at the output chips ie mrf186 & 9180.would it not be sensible to put a zener diode onto the bias supply to protect the (expensive) transistor from too much bias voltage? .just a thought.

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Probably because they wanted to cut as many corners as possible to increase price margin.

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Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

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Electronically wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm I have to say why does the Chinese boards not have any protection at the output chips ie mrf186 & 9180.would it not be sensible to put a zener diode onto the bias supply to protect the (expensive) transistor from too much bias voltage? .just a thought.

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Probably because they wanted to cut as many corners as possible to increase price margin.
Possibly so we keep blowing the chips as there market grows each time we keep buying.

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Re: RE: Re: MRF186 amp problem

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Electronically wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 7:44 pm
Bton-FM wrote:
Electronically wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm I have to say why does the Chinese boards not have any protection at the output chips ie mrf186 & 9180.would it not be sensible to put a zener diode onto the bias supply to protect the (expensive) transistor from too much bias voltage? .just a thought.

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Probably because they wanted to cut as many corners as possible to increase price margin.
Possibly so we keep blowing the chips as there market grows each time we keep buying.

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by Bton-FM » Fri May 15, 2020 8:21 pm

Does anyone use any other capacitors than atc100b for amplifiers?I don't want to look like a cheap skate but is it really necessary to use these because they are quite expensive?

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Re: MRF186 amp problem

Post by rigmo » Fri May 15, 2020 10:40 pm

atc100b is only trusted,... but blue ones 1kV 2kv... can handle on some level...

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