pira 5watt pll

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by rigmo » Sun Jan 01, 2023 3:27 pm

Albert H wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 3:10 am Shame about the 2nd harmonic, though.
It's not surprising that it only has three stages and no LPF... for 5W it's not that so bad.
This one heave much more Squirting for 1W
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165722880409 ... SwGm1gJktZ

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by rigmo » Sun Jan 01, 2023 7:58 pm

more improvements have been made today.
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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by radium98 » Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:20 pm

Very good freind rigmo

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by Albert H » Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:22 am

That's better than the earlier trace. It's pretty good, and could be improved further with an extra stage of filtering. The other exciter at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165722880409 ... SwGm1gJktZ can be made OK by use of an improved output filter too. I believe that there's a board redesign on the way for that one, that includes an improved filter and a couple of additional components to make the 5V regulator run cooler.

These two designs are reasonably good, simple, reliable circuits and have been widely used. However things that I don't like (with either of these two exciters) are:
  • That horrible interstage 4:1 transformer
  • The use of a PIC to programme the PLL IC (they're getting expensive)
  • Running the VCO at the output frequency (makes RF feedback likely unless you're very careful with screening and positioning of parts)
  • No attempt made to make the deviation sensitivity the same at all parts of the band
I find that doubler exciters (like Stephen Moss' Kallitron self-doubling oscillator) make for a cleaner output signal. You need a good highpass filter at the output of the oscillator to prevent ½f breakthrough. I used to use the "Soshin" bandpass filter modules for this purpose - they were cheap and worked well. With good design, the subsequent amplifier stages can be both fully broadband (requiring no adjustment at all) and very clean.

The next iteration of the PLL PRO series was to include one of these Soshin filters before the second RF stage, was going to eliminate the trimmer in the oscillator by using diode-switched capacitors, and add three more varicap diodes to guarantee exactly the same deviation sensitivity at all frequencies. This which would allow the inclusion of a fixed clipper stage to absolutely prevent over-modulation by level clamping!
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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by rigmo » Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:03 am

Albert H wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 2:22 am That's better than the earlier trace. It's pretty good, and could be improved further with an extra stage of filtering. The other exciter at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165722880409 ... SwGm1gJktZ can be made OK by use of an improved output filter too.
1W pll with LPF is 100% pure clean.

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by rigmo » Tue Jan 03, 2023 8:40 pm

radium98 wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:38 pm Albert h is an open book .Thanks.

Brilliant noble ! at list

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by rigmo » Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:39 pm

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by rigmo » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:30 pm

we add in code: tuned, loop feedback from TSA5511 to PIC16F no more no tune :)
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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by jvok » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:35 am

Nice work rigmo keep it up

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by radium98 » Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:54 pm

good work .

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by fmmpastouni » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:13 pm

rigmo wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:30 pm we add in code: tuned, loop feedback from TSA5511 to PIC16F no more no tune :)
what is the purpose of this addition rigmo??

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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by rigmo » Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:03 pm

absolute clean output after 9 point LPF
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Re: pira 5watt pll

Post by Albert H » Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:12 am

You're definitely getting there!
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